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Friends: All Of Rachel’s Romances, Ranked

Rachel Green (Jennifer Aniston) is the spoiled fashionista of the group that grows up the most over the course of Friends, learning to be independent from her wealthy parents and create her own successes. While she did well in many aspects of her life, Rachel’s relationships on the show were some of the messiest. Ross is her most prominent relationship, even though they were on-and-off throughout the series.

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Joey would probably be remembered as her second most memorable relationship. But do you remember the other men she dated? Like “The Yeti”, or even Ross’s doppelganger, Russ? Here are Rachel’s relationships, ranked.

12 Paolo

This was truly the scummiest man Rachel chose to pursue a relationship with. Really, the relationship was based on nothing but sex appeal. They used each other to a certain degree. Paolo (Cosimo Fusco) hardly spoke English (he was from Italy), but that didn’t stop him from making a pass at Phoebe when he was still with Rachel. He was suave, sleek, had that foreign cultural appeal and charm, but he was also unfaithful and selfish. Paolo only made brief appearances in the early seasons before Rachel ultimately broke things off with him. Good and bye!

11 Kash

Joey’s co-star Kash (Johnny Messner) dates Rachel for only one episode, “The One with Rachel’s Date.”

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Rachel is a fan of Kash’s and goes on a ferry ride with him, only to mistakenly tell him too soon that she’s pregnant. Kash reacts awkwardly, and it ends their very brief relationship. Luckily, Ross is there to cheer up Rachel by telling her Chandler’s middle name.

10 Barry

Rachel nearly married Barry. When we first meet her, she’s just run out of her wedding to him. Rachel later declares this to be the best decision she ever made. She never would have learned to rely on herself or have her own life if she’d followed through. Not only this, but as it turns out, Barry was cheating on Rachel with her best friend, Mindy, whom he later marries while Rachel serves as their maid of honor (when she really shouldn’t have).

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Everything happens for a reason, and Rachel needed to dump Barry so she could have a better life. Their relationship wasn’t truly meant to be.

9 Russ

How did Rachel not see the obvious similarities Russ (David Schwimmer in a dual rule) had to Ross? Obviously substituting a doppelganger for the man she has feelings for, Rachel dates Russ in the beginning of Season 2. She is oblivious to Ross’s double until the episode’s end. Horrified, she breaks up with him. It wasn’t long after this that Rachel ended up with Ross. Perhaps Russ was a step in the right direction.

8 Danny (The Yeti)

How promising is a relationship when you fog them via bug bomb upon meeting them? That should’ve been Rachel’s first sign to not pursue something with Danny (George Young Newbern), nicknamed “The Yeti” because of his hairy look upon returning from a months-long trek in the Andes. At first, Danny infuriates Rachel with his nonchalant attitude and apparent disinterest. Yet, somehow, he eventually manages to charm her into getting pizza. Their relationship only lasts a few episodes, ending when Rachel finds Danny’s close relationship with his sister disturbing. Good call, Rach.

7 Tommy (The Screamer)

Tommy (Ben Stiller) only lasted one episode but gained a memorable nickname as “The Screamer.”

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Tommy’s temper flares easily, which is something only Ross realizes until the episode’s end when Tommy is caught by the rest of the gang and Rachel declares it over between them. The episode doesn’t focus much on Tommy’s relationship with Rachel, but they appear casual, in no way headed for anything serious. That’s probably for the best, given Tommy’s short temper and screechy ranting.

6 Paul

Rachel ironically dates Paul (Bruce Willis), the father of the college student whom Ross is dating. Paul is tough and protective of his young daughter, prompting Rachel to help portray Ross in a positive light to impress Paul. Rachel and Paul are attracted to one another and appear to have a sweet, loving relationship.

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That is, until Rachel pushes Paul to tell her more about himself and she gets more than she bargained for when he begins crying uncontrollably. Fed up, Rachel dumps him, even though she was the one that prompted his mental breakdown.

5 Tag

Rachel impulsively hires the unqualified Tag (Eddie Cahill) for his looks to be her new assistant and begins a relationship with him. Tag is a few years younger than she; her relationship with him is practically an attempt on her part to relive her youth. Their relationship is mostly immature in several meaningful aspects. Rachel jeopardizes her career by dating him, so they keep their relationship secret. Plus, it is plainly obvious that they have different interests and simply remain together for the physical attraction and fun of it all, leading nowhere serious. This, combined with the fact that they are going in different directions in their lives, is what causes Rachel to break up with him when she turns thirty. No one said growing up was easy.

4 Gavin

Upon meeting Gavin (Dermot Mulroney), Rachel is disgusted by him, especially when he declares that he’s taking over her job (she had been away on maternity leave). However, he sings a different tune later in the episode when he offers to babysit Emma so Rachel can undertake an important presentation. Her relationship with Gavin was perfunctory, but Gavin didn’t seem like such a bad guy. He even removes himself from the equation by his third episode appearance, telling Rachel that she should examine her relationship with Ross and that he doesn’t want to get in the middle of whatever they may have.

3 Joshua

Tate Donovan guest-starred for a few episodes in Season 4 as Joshua, a recently divorced man that Rachel meets at work. She harbors a huge crush on him, jumping at any chance she has to be alone with him (she even gets excited one episode when she feels his pulse). Joshua appears kind but hesitant to jump into anything serious, although he does admit he’s bought more clothes than he needs just to have an excuse to see Rachel.

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Ultimately, her potential relationship with Joshua fails when she moves too fast (she’s competing against Ross and Emily’s relationship) for Joshua, who was only looking for something casual following his divorce. Some thing just aren’t meant to be.

2 Joey

Rachel’s relationship with Joey (Matt LeBlanc) was brief but sweet. Taking place not long before the show ended, the two tediously began to date. Much of their time seemed to be spent worrying over what Ross would think of them together, but they had their own moments the writers threw in to let us know their relationship wouldn’t be permanent. For example, how Rachel couldn’t stop slapping Joey uncontrollably each time he tried to touch her in one episode. They break things off when they feel they are better as friends than romantic partners. With the abrupt ending of their brief relationship, we’ll never truly know what kind of potential their relationship really had.

1 Ross

It was always Ross (David Schwimmer). From day one, Ross and Rachel had an undeniable chemistry. They were unbreakable together, but they had a tendency to act as one another’s kryptonite. Nonetheless, the couple had a daughter together and wound up together in the series finale. Where are they now? Unless there’s a revival, we like to picture them happy together without their past drama following. Throughout the ten years on the show, it was always obvious that regardless of either’s relationship status, they still held torches for one another (remember when Rachel crashed Ross’s wedding to Emily?). Were they ever really “on a break”?

Other honorable mentions include the poor man whom Rachel drunkenly talks to about Ross and his new relationship with Julie (Lauren Tom) while on a blind date with him, Gunther (James Michael Tyler), whom Rachel never realizes is crushing on her until the show’s end, and Chip (Dan Gauthier), whom Rachel dated in high school prior to the Friends pilot. While it was a long and rocky journey through various relationships, Rachel wound up with the one she truly loved in the end: Ross.

What did you think of Rachel’s relationships? Let us know in the comments!

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2019-03-28 07:03:28

Kacie Lillejord

Friends: 20 Things That Make No Sense About Rachel

Although Friends ended 15 years ago, it remains one of the most beloved TV shows in entertainment history and its popularity has yet to wane. It is definitely one of the most bingeable shows out there. Devoted fans as well as newcomers to the series can’t seem to get enough of watching and re-watching this group of twenty-somethings deal with life’s ups and downs.

Through the years, Friends has stood the test of time thanks to its great humor and its endearing group of characters. No matter who you are, you’re likely to identify at least on some level with one of the six main leads, which undoubtedly makes watching Friends that much more enjoyable. Of all the main characters however, Rachel Karen Green stood out as being particularly popular with viewers, so much so that every time her character got a haircut, throngs of women seemed to rush to copy her. Love her or loathe her, her influence on popular culture cannot be denied.

The problem with such a popular and likable show such as Friends is that people tend to watch the same episodes over and over again. This leads to careful scrutiny and the inevitable noticing of things that don’t quite add up. While Rachel went on to become a successful businesswoman in the world of fashion, have a daughter, and unite with her true love, this unfortunately doesn’t mean that her character was without problems. In fact, there are quite a number of instances where the things Rachel does just don’t make any sense at all.

With this is mind, here are 20 Things That Make No Sense About Rachel In Friends.

20 Her Ever-Changing Birthday

It’s a known fact that Rachel is one of the most popular Friends characters with audiences, but despite how much we all love and envy her, does she really deserve multiples birthdays a year? Looking over the series as a whole, it seems that Rachel’s birthday changes multiple times.

In season 4, she tells Gunther that her birthday is in May but then later on in that same series, a police officer comments that she is an Aquarius, meaning her date of birth would have to be in January or February. Whether this is all just a ploy to get more attention and presents or whether for some reason she really has forgotten when her real birthday is, Rachel’s ever-changing date of birth is very confusing indeed.

19 Green or Greene?

We all know Rachel has her ditzy moments and she isn’t always the sharpest tool in the shed. Despite her often clueless moments, you would think that at the very least she would be able to spell her own name correctly, right? Well, as it turns out, this isn’t the case.

Over the course of the series, Rachel’s last name seems to switch between being spelled “Green” and “Greene.” On the box containing Emma’s first birthday cake, her last name is written “Green,” but then on the invitation to Ross and Emily’s wedding, it reads “Greene.” On her desk at Bloomingdales, we see “Greene” whereas both spellings are used on her Ralph Lauren office door. Fans tend to agree that the official spelling is “Green” though, as this is how Rachel’s name appears on the credits.

18 Airport Rules Don’t Apply To Her

Anyone who has ever gone to the airport and taken a flight will know that airport security is incredibly strict. One of the most basic security checks when flying is that your plane ticket matches the name on your own passport. Whereas tickets for events might be able to be used by someone other than yourself, plane tickets are not-exchangeable between people. For this reason, the whole plotline where Rachel takes Emily’s place on the newlyweds’ honeymoon is completely boggling.

Aside from the awkwardness and frankly dubious choice to take the trip, the fact that Rachel uses Emily’s ticket with Emily’s name on it while her own passport says Rachel is nothing short of baffling. Clearly Rachel knows some airport secrets we don’t.

17 Her Sailing Abilities

Rachel is one of the more privileged members of the Friends group, so it wouldn’t be surprising to learn that she could play polo, or croquet, or even sail. Indeed, Rachel reveals to Joey in “The One with Phoebe’s Cookies” that her strict father taught her to sail and therefore she could help Joey learn the ropes of his new sailboat.

However, despite her getting annoyed with Joey for not following her sailing instructions, we have reason to believe that Rachel might not have been the seasoned sailor she claimed to be. In fact, earlier in the season, Rachel tells the group that her father used to complain that no one would help him sail his boat. In “The One Where Ross Moves In”, Rachel tells Danny that she is going to a Sailing Regatta but doesn’t know how to sail. Sounds fishy to us.

16 Her Choice of Baby Name

One of the weirder decisions Rachel made in the series was to call her baby Emma. As you’ll remember, Emma was the name Monica wanted to call her own daughter someday, but always getting what she wants, Rachel managed to get her friend to allow her to use it for her baby.

While Emma is a beautiful name, is sounds awfully like Emily, the name of Ross’ ex-wife whom Rachel couldn’t stand. If Rachel and Emily had such a bad history together, then why would she want to name her baby so similarly? At one point in the series, Rachel even accidentally calls Emma “Emily,” which seems pretty strange considering all the bad blood that went down between them. The choice of name is also pretty insensitive to Ross, whose whole life was put into turmoil over the Emily and Rachel fiasco.

15 The Ross-Russ Situation

In season 2, there is a very strange episode of Friends called “The One With Russ”. Aired before Ross and Rachel got together but after the whole pros and cons list disaster, this episode sees Rachel going out with a guy called Russ. The weird bit? Russ is basically an identical version of Ross. From the way he dresses to the way he speaks, Russ is basically Ross with slightly longer hair.

It’s not that hard to believe that Rachel would try to find someone similar to Ross seeing as she had feelings for him, but the fact that she didn’t notice the very obvious similarities between Ross and Russ is somewhat hard to believe. It took her far longer than everyone else to see that they were carbon copies of each other.

14 Agreeing to Let Bonnie Date Ross

Ross and Rachel were the king and queen of roller coaster relationships, and it’s hard to keep track of how many times they were off again and on again. Audiences were undoubtedly frustrated whenever one of them was in love with the other but wouldn’t speak up, which meant that they systematically had throwaway relationships in between that we all knew weren’t right for them.

One example of this is in season 4 when Rachel agrees to let Phoebe set her friend Bonnie up with Ross. Despite having feelings for Ross, Rachel allows the date to go ahead because she remembers Bonnie being bald. She gets an unpleasant surprise when Bonnie turns out to be beautiful, and Rachel ends up sabotaging their relationship. Rachel should have just told Phoebe how she really felt about Ross, but she allowed someone else to get hurt instead.

13 She Doesn’t Remember Chandler

Rachel and Chandler aren’t the closest two people in their friendship group, but even so, Rachel shouldn’t forget an entire chapter of their lives they spent together. In the pilot episode of Friends where Rachel is introduced to the gang after she runs out on her wedding to Barry, Rachel and Chandler act as if they’ve never met. However, as the series progresses, we learn that these two friends had indeed met each other several times before, including spending two Thanksgivings with each other at the Gellers’ household. It’s also revealed that they even shared a kiss at one point.

After having such a history together, how could they possibly act like they don’t know each other in the pilot? As ditzy as Rachel can be, even she should remember meeting someone more than one or two times.  

12 Her Lack of Knowledge About Monica’s past

Despite how close they seem in the series, Monica and Rachel weren’t always great friends. Sure they were besties in high school, but after that they seem to have drifted apart before seeing each other again for the first time in a while in the pilot episode. That being said, from the flashbacks that we see throughout Friends, we can see that Rachel and Monica spent their formative years together, and therefore should know pretty much everything about their respective childhoods.

It’s strange then that in “The One with the Football”, Rachel has no idea about why Monica and Ross aren’t allowed to play football together anymore and has never heard of the Geller Cup. For something that is this important to both her friend and her on-again/off-again boyfriend, you’d think that Rachel would have remembered it.

11 Not Knowing Her Ex-Fiancé’s Name

In the very first episode of Friends, we see Rachel turning up flustered at Central Perk, still wearing her wedding dress after running out on her wedding to Barry. In this pilot episode, we hear Rachel call her fiancé “Barry Finkle,” but then when we next see him, he is referred to as “Barry Farber.

Every time after that, his surname is Farber, so where in the world did Finkle come from? Was Rachel so flustered and confused after doing a runner that she forgot her own husband-to-be’s name? Did the production team decide that Finkle was an unsuitable or silly name for some reason? We have so many questions.

10 Saving Her Wedding Dress

On the subject of Rachel’s almost-marriage to Dr. Barry Farber, it’s interesting to note that she kept her wedding dress even though the ran out on the ceremony. In the season 4 episode “The One With the Wedding Dresses”, we see Monica, Phoebe, and Rachel lounging around the apartment wearing bridal gowns. Rachel is obviously wearing her wedding dress from the pilot episode.

Although a wedding dress is expensive and beautiful and would obviously be sentimental to most people, we do have to ask why Rachel kept hers when it would only serve to bring up bad memories of running out on her own wedding. Rachel spends much of the early seasons being broke, so why didn’t she sell the dress for cash? Closet space is minimal in New York City apartments, so why did she hang onto it? 

9 Going to London

There were a number of weddings that took place over the course of the series, but none were as memorable as Ross’s marriage to Emily in London. After deciding initially not to go, Rachel eventually decided to travel to London in order to tell Ross how she really felt about him. As we all know, Ross ended up saying Rachel’s name instead of Emily’s during the ceremony. Rachel turning up likely had a lot (or everything) to do with it.

Rachel definitely made the wrong decision in going to London. If she really cared about Ross, she would have let him get on with his wedding and his life with Emily. Instead, she created chaos in everyone’s lives. It’s understandable that Rachel wanted to tell Ross how she really felt, but honestly his wedding wasn’t the most opportune time for that.

8 Going On Ross’ Honeymoon

One of the most memorable and most awkward moments in Friends is of course when Ross said the wrong name at his wedding to Emily, saying “I take thee Rachel” instead. Despite this huge mishap, Emily still went ahead and married him but then disappeared, not letting Ross know where she had fled to.

Meanwhile, Ross and Emily were supposed to be setting off on their honeymoon trip, but seeing as he had no idea where his new wife was, Ross invited Rachel to go with him instead. Rachel said yes, but we have to wonder how both of them thought any of this was a good idea. Ross should have known how devastating this invite would be to Emily, and Rachel should have had the better sense to decline the invite. Bad judgement calls all around.

7 Her Magical Marker-Removing Skin

Ross and Rachel made a lot of questionable choices over the course of the series, but one of their most irresponsible acts was to get married while completely inebriated when in Las Vegas. What made the whole situation even more ludicrous was the fact that they both had magic marker all over their faces. Ross had initially pranked Rachel while she was sleeping on the plane by drawing on her face and Rachel got back at him by doing the same to him.

Yet, after their crazy night, getting married, and running around with permanent pen on their faces, they wake up the next morning and go down to breakfast without even a trace of marker on their skin. We don’t know what kind of magical face creams or serums Rachel has, but it must be some pretty strong stuff to get those marks off her face.

6 Her Pregnancy TimeLine

Friends seemed to completely misunderstand how pregnancy works, getting Carol’s and Phoebe’s birthing timelines wrong, as well as Rachel’s. Whereas Phoebe’s pregnancy seemed way too short and Carol’s seemed to be miscalculated too, Rachel’s pregnancy seems to be stretched out way too long.

Rachel reveals her pregnancy at Monica’s wedding in May, which means she must have been at least a few weeks along. It’s strange, then, that a few episodes later during Halloween, she is still only in the initial stages of pregnancy and is hardly showing. Then later on in the season, Rachel is heavily pregnant on Valentine’s Day in “The One With the Birthing Video”, but does not give birth until the end of the season. The timeline is all over the place when considering a real-life pregnancy should last nine months.

5 Her Parenting

Rachel giving birth to baby Emma at the end of season 8 was one of the most emotional and heartwarming moments in Friends. Not only did it reawaken the affection Ross and Rachel had for one another, it also brought the whole group closer together than ever before.

Although Rachel clearly adored her baby when she gave birth to her, like Ben, Ross’ son with Carol, Emma seemed to disappear and reappear only when it was convenient for Rachel’s plotline. In fact, we would often see Rachel walking around with a baby monitor and leaving the device somewhere random while she went about with her life. It seems almost like Rachel forgot she even had a child half the time. Emma really wasn’t very present at all, despite Rachel being a new mother.

4 Accepting Joey’s Proposal

The most controversial plot line that occurred in Friends is undeniably Rachel and Joey’s romantic relationship. Still hotly debated, this pair certainly caused some heated arguments among fans.

Although Rachel and Ross’ relationship wasn’t always the healthiest, it was obvious from the start that they were meant to end up together in the series. Just after Rachel has her baby, she mistakenly thinks Joey is proposing to her when he gets down on one knee to pick up a ring that has fallen. Fair enough: she has major baby-brain and is feeling very emotional. But there’s no real excuse for accepting Joey’s proposal after everything she and Ross have been through, right after she’s had Ross’ baby.

3 Not Knowing How Gunther Feels About Her

One thing that was consistent throughout the entire series was Gunther’s love for Rachel. Sometimes a bit weird and over-the-top, Gunther’s adoration of Rachel was one of the funniest and most endearing plotlines in Friends. He watches Rachel from afar as he longs to be with her, yet never quite has the gumption or the opportunity to confess his feelings for her.

Finally, in the last episode of the show, he tells Rachel how he feels, and strangely Rachel acts completely surprised. Although Gunther never explicitly told Rachel he loved her until that last episode, he wasn’t exactly subtle about his attraction for her. Anyone and everyone could tell how much he liked her, so how is it that Rachel was so utterly surprised by this?

2 Hiring Tag

Rachel hired Tag for one very simple, problematic reason: she was attracted to him so she gave him the job as her assistant. There’s not a single things that’s okay about, and the way she behaves around him is textbook harassment. If Friends were made today, it’s unlikely this plotline would have been included, and it really shouldn’t have been featured in the series at all when it was.

Tag definitely wasn’t qualified for the job he was given and the whole thing was made even worse when he and Rachel started dating while they were still working together. All in all, this career and life choice from Rachel was both stupid and morally irresponsible. You’re better than this, Rachel–  show some smarts.

1 Not going to Paris

Although there were countless fans of Friends who were overjoyed to see that Rachel had gotten off the plane bound for Paris, others weren’t as delighted with her decision. Rachel and Ross ending up together was inevitable from the very first episode of the show, but there’s no denying that this supposed happy ending would have had huge repercussions for Rachel.

Staying in New York to be with Ross meant giving up an incredible job and an amazing opportunity to live and work in Paris. In the end, she gave up much more for him than he did for her, and it doesn’t seem quite fair that she gave up on her career in order to be in a relationship with a man who had already proven himself to be a questionable partner in the past.

What else doesn’t make sense about Rachel in Friends? Let us know in the comments!



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2019-01-10 01:01:23

Glee: 20 Things Wrong With Rachel We All Choose To Ignore

Glee, technically, categorizes as an ensemble show. The large cast and multiple storylines about them looks like an ensemble show on the surface, yet, if we had to pick a star, then we would say it was Rachel Berry (Lea Michele). Given her character, it’s not that surprising that she would assert herself as the focus. After the main cast graduated, Rachel’s dominance over the series was made even more clear and there were so many rumors of a Rachel-based spin-off.

That never happened, but only because it felt like it was folded into the show from seasons four to six. Michele is an excellent singer, talented actress, and she did great work as Rachel for the six seasons that Glee aired. That aside, Rachel, oh boy, Rachel was something. As the lead, it felt like we were supposed to root for her. It also, at points, felt like we were watching a version of Breaking Bad that took place in high school glee club and Rachel was Walter White. More often than not, she just did so many bad or questionable things. Again, show business is a rough business to get into, but even so, there’s a difference between developing a thick skin and sending a rival to a crime area. One is a necessity, but the other one will get you arrested or something. It’s time to look over six seasons because Rachel? Rachel has done a lot of sketchy things.

Here are 20 Things Wrong With Rachel We All Choose To Ignore.

20 Would Pit Her Boyfriends Against Each Other

Rachel loves drama. She thrives in it, especially if the drama is about her. When she starts dating Jesse St. James (Jonathan Groff) in season one, she’s excited when he challenges Finn (Cory Monteith) to a sing-off in the parking lot. After learning that Finn was involved with Santana (Naya Rivera), Rachel immediately gets close to Puck (Mark Salling) to make Finn jealous.

It’s no surprise that Finn broke-up with her because of that as Rachel purposely chose the guy who would hurt him the most. Then, she had an emotional moment with Brody (Dean Geyer) in the opening episodes of season four and they still flirted with each other even though Rachel was in a relationship.

19 Never Had Many Interests Outside Of Theater 

Rachel had one true love: the theater. It looked like her whole life was built around it. While there were mentions of her being a member of other clubs, we’ve never seen her do anything with them. Even though the majority of New Directions loved performing, they still had other interests outside of the club: Kurt (Chris Colfer) loved fashion, Artie (Kevin McHale) wanted to direct, and Quinn (Dianna Agron) went on to learn Women Studies at Yale.

Rachel, however, seems solely consumed by one thing. Having a passion is great, but dedicating your life to one path is also dangerous. Due to this, Rachel never really went out of her comfort zone to try out something new or consider new territories.

18 Her Underhandedness

Rachel was pretty devious in getting what she wanted. She purposely held back information on Sandy Ryerson’s (Stephen Tobolowsky) predatory tendencies until he shunted her to the side. After which, she was more than happy to tell Figgins (Iqbal Theba) all about what was going on. Furthermore, she sent Sunshine (Jake Zyrus) to an inactive criminal area after the girl proved her vocal chops for New Directions.

Additionally, Rachel would also know how to get people to forgive her, such as baking cookies or appearing at a conveniently dramatic moment to help. She would do anything she could in order to get people on her side or position herself to get what she wanted. Even if she got called out on this, it almost always worked out for her in the end.

17 Self-Centered

Rachel is one of the most self-centered characters in television history. In the later seasons, especially, Rachel would be absorbed in her own problems that it didn’t matter what those around her were experiencing. However, in the early seasons, she would go out of her way in order to provide comfort to others, like when Quinn and Puck’s involvement was brought to the surface. It was the later seasons that showed how Rachel would become more and more self-involved.

When Rachel had to get into NYADA, it didn’t matter what Mercedes (Amber Riley) wanted. She also stuck to her idea of doing a duet with Blaine (Darren Criss), even though Carmen Tibideaux (Whoopi Goldberg) wanted a solo performance. It would just go on and on.

16 Needs Applause To “Live” 

“I’m like Tinkerbell, Finn. I need applause to live!” If ever there was a defining quote to the worst parts of Rachel Berry, then this is it. Not only does it showcase herself at her most diva, but it also shows a problem within Rachel. Rather than finding internal validation for herself, she relies on external validation from others. To her, applause signifies that she is adored and loved by everyone.

You can’t go through life wanting others to love you, you need to love yourself first, and Rachel ends up putting the need for other’s approval before doing anything for herself. That’s not a healthy way to live at all and it shows up in the way Rachel treats others, whom she believes are in her way.

15 Acts Like She’s The One Affected 

We have all had that one person in our lives who never takes responsibility for anything. They are always the one acting injured, even when they are the party at fault. Granted, Rachel experienced  some mistreatment in season one, but as the seasons passed, however, she avoided responsibility for her actions. This was especially true in the season five episode “Bash,” where she lashes out at both Kurt and Carmen when they rightfully call her out on her attitude after she got the lead in Funny Girl.

14 Uses People To Get What She Wants

Rachel was always a little bit manipulative with other people. If there was a way to use people in order to further her own dreams, then she would take it. To be fair, though, show business is one where you have to use people, to some degree, by making connections and doing favors. Eventually, if you have the right connections, a career in stardom seems more feasible. However, this was high school show choir. While New Directions always seemed in jeopardy, Rachel was nine times out of ten the star.

In the pilot, she told Finn that they should be together because the others thought that they should be. Later, she would bring cookies in order to facilitate forgiveness and she went to those in power over those in inferior positions to leverage things for her benefit.

13 Actually Thinks Singing Will Make Everything Better 

Glee was a show that believed that music could make the world a better place. Sometimes, it seemed like it really could, but other times, it was more of a need to use a song to paper over a needed conversation. In the way that a song could be used as an apology for doing something really bad, Rachel, more than most, lived by this creed. As if singing will somehow magically make people forgive her or something.

After sending Sunshine into the arms of Vocal Adrenaline, Rachel sings “What I Did For Love” as a justification for her actions to New Directions. Also, this example set up a pattern as she did the same thing when she was convincing Carmen to come to Nationals as a second chance audition.

12 Not As Talented As She Thinks She Is

Rachel is one heck of a singer. Lea Michele, in real life, is a triple threat, as are most of the cast of Glee. In the show, however, Rachel was never really as talented as she believed. She was a great singer, a decent actor, and her dancing skills often appeared as nonexistent. Rachel never really put much work into her solo numbers, instead, she opted for what people term as a “park and bark,” meaning she stood there and sang. Since she had so many solos, it got boring after a while.

Contrasted with others over the series, like Kurt or Mike Chang (Harry Shum, Jr.), who would do more than park and bark, it just seemed lazy in comparison.

11 Refuses To Take Responsibility For Her Actions 

One thing that everyone in New Directions should know by the end of the series is that actions have consequences. Maybe they’re unintended consequences, but they are still there all the same. For example, Finn openly talks about Santana’s preferences when she isn’t entirely open with them, yet, he ends up outing her to the school. While most people learn that their actions will either hurt or reward them later on, one who doesn’t catch on appears to be Rachel.

It’s baffling because the theater world is especially insular. You’d think Rachel would be aware of her actions, like running off to L.A. to audition for a television show even though she was still under contract to perform in Funny Girl. While Santana tried to do some image rehab, it wasn’t really enough.

10 Worst. Roommate. Ever.

Rachel wasn’t a great roommate to Santana and Kurt, seriously. Considering she had a roommate who was constantly involved with others during her first months in New York, you’d think she would have been better. First, she has her new boyfriend Brody move in with them without telling her roommates (you have to tell your roommates about that sort of stuff), then, as it turns out, Brody was a “self-expressionist.”

During her and Santana’s Funny Girl rivalry, the tension would drive Kurt up the wall. Naturally, she stormed out in a dramatic fashion, declaring her intention of moving out, without caring about leaving Santana and Kurt high and dry with funds.

9 Immature

Is it possible for someone to be in a state of arrested development even in high school and college? As a whole, Rachel tended to act more like a child as opposed to an adult. Think about it. She would pout when she didn’t get her way and would change moods. It’s like she doesn’t really know how to handle things in a mature way. Even when she went to L.A. to audition for TV, she thought that not telling anyone at her Broadway show would be a good decision to make, not to mention how many times she stormed off when she never got her way. As Artie would point out, she did it so many times in the series that it lost its effectiveness.

8 Her Ego

We can all agree that Rachel has a bit of an ego, thinking that she should be the star no matter what. In Lima, she was a big fish in a very drama-filled pond. Her ego, however, would often get in her own way. For example, when she chooses to only apply to one hyper-competitive conservatory over applying to multiple schools, it shows that Rachel believes that there are no other options; she is simply just that good.

It doesn’t help that the world seems to feed into that, though. Mister Schuester (Matthew Morrison) gives Rachel those solos rather than diversify, and Rachel gets a lead in a Broadway show at 19, despite having a slim resume.

7 The Rachel Berry Show

One of the worst parts of season five was when Rachel gets bored of Broadway after a month. We will harp on to this until the end of time because it was one of the most bizarre decisions the show has ever made (and it’s made some pretty bizarre ones). After years of saying she wanted to be on Broadway, manipulating her way to get there, and her unpleasant attitude, Rachel gets bored? Just like that? Really?

It shows how immature she is since she goes to the next shiny thing. At this point, she’s not even thinking about her future and burning bridges, she’s just picking something she thought was interesting. 

6 Wasn’t A Good Friend

Rachel wasn’t always a bad friend to those around her. A good chunk of the time, she would offer comfort and support when the time came. To be honest, most of New Directions weren’t really good friends to each other, either. Rachel, however, could be noticeably bad. If she felt friends got in the way of her dreams, then she would grow bitter, jealous, and angry at them. This can be seen in “Bash,” when she fought with Kurt after he didn’t immediately side with her over her decision to quit NYADA.

Also, when Santana was her understudy, she got all huffy about it… She’s performing on Broadway. It’s a necessity for her to have an understudy.

5 Too Much Dedication

Sometimes, when Rachel hears “no,” she gets a little bit bonkers with it and it would lead into some constant pursuing. One of the biggest examples comes in season three when her NYADA audition is unsuccessful. Rachel ended up essentially pursuing Carmen Tibideaux for a second chance by sending her muffin baskets, letters, and anything for the woman to see her perform again. Never mind that Kurt aced his audition, and aced it hard.

While Rachel’s drive is a good character trait at times, the way she acts can lead to very bad repercussions later on. If she does this with a director or a producer in the future, then they will not see it as her dedication.

4 Got Progressively Lazy 

Over six seasons, Rachel leaned more and more on her vocal chops than anything else. While she did possess an impressive voice, she didn’t really bring much else to the table. It’s frustrating because, in earlier seasons, we saw Rachel put in the effort. She used the dance room often, did tap in her early years, and practiced. As the seasons passed, however, we didn’t see Rachel put in the work. Instead of challenging herself with choreography, she just planted herself there and sang.

While others grew as performers, Rachel showed no real change. She stuck with what she knew worked rather than attempting to branch out. In order to be the kind of performer she wanted to be, she would need to grow, and that requires actual work. 

3 Believes That Success Should Be Handed To Her

Rachel remains one of the more talented characters of the series. The problem is, as stated previously, she knows how talented she is. Without really providing much effort, she usually ends up as the star. Whether by accident or by circumstance, it does tend to lead to expectations that you should always have the success you’re accustomed to. Most of the other members, however, work for that success and it feels all that sweeter when they get it: like Kurt getting into NYADA or Mercedes landing her big break.

Rachel, however, doesn’t seem to realize that she needs to earn her success. That’s probably what makes the Funny Girl storyline so frustrating; we feel like she hasn’t earned it, and when she gets bored with it, it just leads to audiences getting frustrated.

2 Can Never Take A Critique

If you talk to anyone who works in the entertainment industry, then they will tell you that you need to have thick skin; it’s probably the first thing that a person needs to develop. Whether it’s a troll on the Internet or someone offering you an honest critique, no one can take things too personally in this business. Rachel, for someone who wants to work in this industry, has one of the thinnest skins on the show. When Cassandra July (Kate Hudson) gives her a, admittedly rough, honest critique, Rachel takes it as an attack, and when Carmen gives her a bad grade on an assignment, she quits school.

Also, when her television show fails, she declares that her life is over. Obviously, it’s not, but no one can let those kinds of critiques overly get to them. 

1 Diva In A Bad Way 

The term diva has been around for a decently long time and it comes with several good and bad connotations: the good connotation means that she is a woman of exquisite talent and taste, the bad connotation, however, means a woman in show business who has a reputation for being difficult to work with. Over the seasons, unfortunately, Rachel morphs into the latter. As we said on this list, she can be mean and manipulative to others while believing that things should be handed to her based on talent.

Now, the good side is, it does look like she outgrows it, especially in the series finale and the back half of season six. Even so, it did make for some hard viewing and little pay-offs.

Did you notice any other things that fans ignored when it came to Rachel? Let us know in the comments below!



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2018-12-05 03:12:20

20 Twilight Fan Castings Better Than What We Got In The Movies

Casting perfectly for a single film is important; casting perfectly for a film that will spawn a five-film saga is vital. Not every casting decision for a film franchise is going to be perfect. Even renowned franchises such as the MCU, Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings have actors in roles that didn’t quite suit them or where there was an even more perfect casting decision staring them in the face.

Finding the perfect cast for a film is much harder than most people give these casting director’s credit for. All they have to go off of is the script, the director’s vision, and possibly (luckily for many big blockbusters) the source material. It’s even harder when adapting a book series whose fans have been picturing the characters in their heads for years.

Finding the perfect cast after a film’s complete is much more fun, even if it has no real impact. Though films are often recast when remade (A Star is Born) or when sequels are released and the original cast doesn’t return (The Girl in the Spider’s Web) it’s fun to still find that perfect cast when there’s no remake/sequel in sight. The Twilight Saga’s cast has been ridiculed and spoofed more than most franchises; some criticism warranted, some not. Fans took to the internet, as they’re known to do, with their ideal picks for who they think the cast of The Twilight Saga should have been.

Without further ado, here are 20 Twilight Fan Castings Better Than What We Got.

20 Rosie Huntington-Whitley As Rosalie Hale

Rosie Huntington-Whitley is more known for her runway walks and magazine covers than for her filmography, but she has three acting entries under her IMDb page; a 2009 short, Transformers: Dark of the Moon, and Mad Max: Fury Road.  Her resume  may be short, but it surely consists of some prominent movies. Her modeling career on the other hand, is one of the most prestigious and fruitful in the world.

While Nikki Reed may have been fine in retrospect for the character’s lack of screen-time in comparison to the other Cullen members, a woman with the following of Huntington-Whitley could added a higher profile cast member for the film.

19 Tom Sturridge As Edward Cullen

Robert Pattinson may be one of the few casting decisions the original filmmakers made that most fans are pretty okay with. A certain fan had a different actor they thought could have played the part a little bit better; Tom Sturridge.

Casting him with a certain actress who we’ll touch on a bit later, the On the Road and Far from The Madding Crowd actor has a lot in common with Pattinson himself.

Both men were born in London, both were in the 2004 drama Vanity Fair, and birth dates are less than six months apart.

Sturridge’s career never quite took off the way it should have, something that a leading role in a billion-dollar franchise surely could have helped.

18 David Harbour As Charlie Swan

Since his role as Eleven’s guardian in Stranger Things, Harbour has been branded as one of the best character actors to play a loving and concerned father. Billy Burke is one of the few who many fans actually thought fit the role well, but Harbour would have been such a fun and comedic addition. Many may think that Harbour would be too old to play Bella’s dad; those fans would be hard-pressed to learn that Burke is actually nine years Harbour’s senior.

Harbour has for many years been a supporting actor in films like Suicide Squad, A Walk Among the Tombstones, and End of Watch; another supporting role such as Charlie Swan would have been just perfect for the actor.

17 Angelina Jolie As Victoria

Victoria had already been replaced once, so why not do it again? Rachelle Lefevre played the red-haired vampire who was part of the coven that homes James and Laurent in the first two films, but then was blindsided when recast and portrayed by future Jurassic World star Bryce Dallas Howard for Eclipse.

The books characterize Victoria as a beautiful and strong woman, adjectives that describe Angelina Jolie quite perfectly.

As of late, Jolie has focused her time more behind the camera then in front of it, but having her play the part would have been quite exciting, especially standing next to a vampiric Ben Stiller.

16 Ben Stiller As James

James, while not the most important figure in the saga, was the main antagonist of the first film. When his coven stumbles upon the Cullen’s and Bella playing a pretty athletic game of baseball, he decides that the human will be his next meal, causing Edwards and his family to go to vast lengths to protect her.

While Cam Gigandet may have had the physique for James, Ben Stiller’s rendition of the vampire would have given the character new depth.

Stiller’s dramatic work is pretty scarce, but having acted in film like The Secret Life of Walter Mitty and Brad’s Status prove he’d be able to handle it. Stiller’s one of the biggest movie stars in the world, so getting him would have been no easy task, but could have brought something unique to the film.

15 Millie Bobbie Brown As Jane

Some might say that Millie Bobbie Brown is far too young to play the millennia old vampire, but the character was turned at the age of 12. Brown would have been far too young during the original films– she was five during Jane’s first appearance in New Moon– but she would be perfect now.

The young actress has obtained fame from her portrayal as Eleven in Netflix’s Stranger Things, though look for her soon in the Godzilla sequel, Godzilla: King of Monsters and its crossover event Godzilla vs. Kong. Jane’s supposed to be a mysterious character with an old soul, something that Brown portrays brilliantly throughout the first two seasons of Stranger Things.

14 Shiloh Fernandez As Edward Cullen

Shiloh Fernandez may not be the most well-known actor out there, but then again, neither was Rob Pattinson when he was cast as Edward more than a decade ago. As featured on one of the greatest website names of all time, otherguysasedwardcullen-blog.tumblr.com, Shiloh would have made a great Edward, after some make-up work done to make him look a little less alive.

The Utah-born actor is roughly the right age, and as seen in the picture above, looks quite convincing as a vampire when his eyes are brightened and yellowed, with his skin a bit paler, like most of the Cullen’s.

13 Liv Tyler As Esme Cullen

Though she’s been rather absent from the big screen since playing Ed Norton’s love interest in the MCU’s The Incredible Hulk, she’s still etched in cinephiles minds for her roles in The Lord of the Rings trilogy, The Strangers, and (less so) Armageddon.

Tyler looks like she was born to play a vampire, and it’s a shame she’s never been given the opportunity.

Esme is a pretty small role in relation to the other Cullens, but  Tyler could have maybe brightened up the role a bit, or at the very least, given the family a more familiar feel for viewers.

12 Hugh Jackman As Garrett

The second best cast role in the saga– we’ll talk about the first in just a bit– is none other than a small character named Garrett played by the brilliant Lee Pace. Garrett is vampire who joins the Denali coven at the end of Breaking Dawn when he and Kate begin to form a relationship.

The only way that Lee Pace could be outdone is if one of the most beloved actors of our time replaced him: Hugh Jackman.

Jackman spent a movie hunting vampires back in 2004 with the critically berated Van Helsing, so maybe joining them would be more his suit. Classy as all could be, the Jackman above (provided by Nocuus) would have been perfect for Garrett, a man who was changed in mid 18th century New England.

11 Anton Yelchin As Mike Newton

This one, awfully unfortunately, will never be able to come to fruition because of a tragic accident which resulted in Anton Yelchin losing his life at the age of 27. Mike was played by Michael Welch, but Yelchin would have been the perfect age, and perfect casting for the role. Welch actually auditioned for the role of Edward, but ended up being cast as Mike after Pattinson was brought aboard.

The nice guy from high school is more or less exactly who Yelchin was born to play, and imagining him trying to hold Bella’s hand at the movies is textbook teenage romance that feels just right with Yelchin. Yelchin, like Jackman, isn’t a stranger to vampire films, having starred in the remake of Fright Night. Yelchin’s untimely passing came right at the height of his fame, and a Twilight film would have added right to it.

10 Lily Collins As Alice Cullen

Lily Collins actually auditioned for Twilight, but for the role of Bella; “I think everything happens for a reason and everyone who gets the roles they get were meant to.”

Collins has the flowing movement that Greene brought to the performance, but could have come off a bit more authentic in her compassion.

Greene was not been the worst actress in the franchise, but Collins would have potentially been a step up from the unexperienced performer. Greene’s career never took off quite like Collin’s did, which makes the films down the line seem a bit more dated when new viewers can’t recognize the fourth-billed lead; something that casting Collins could have changed.

9 Hugo Weaving as Aro

Michael Sheen wasn’t just the best casting of any of the actors in the franchise with his turn as Aro, but he gave the best performance from anyone, and even liked the source materia, Sheen may have been flawless, but another actor could have the potential to have done better; that man is Hugo Weaving. Though Aro is much younger than both Sheen and Weaving in the novels, both actors are very similar in age.

Like Liv Tyler, Weaving is famous for his part in The Lord of the Rings trilogy as well as the Wichowskis’ Matrix trilogy. Hugo’s vampire transformation above is a very reminiscent of his Elvish lineage in LOTR, but also extremely similar to Aro’s Volturi attire in the Twilight Saga.

8 Alexander Skarsgård As Emmett Cullen

Either it’s a coincidence that so many of the fan casting decisions were previously in vampire films/TV shows, or there is just an abundance of vampire films/TV shows. Alexander Skarsgård played Eric Northman on HBO’s cult vampire drama True Blood. Though he initially played the show’s antagonist, he was the favorite amongst fans and had far and away the most successful career after the show.

Standing at 6′ 4”,the Stockholm born actor has a much more towering physique than Kellan Lutz, who played Emmett in the films.

As he already plays brooding and mysterious extremely well, letting Skarsgård show a comedic soft side would have given the actor the chance to stretch his wings.

7 Rachel McAdams As Rosalie Hale

Rising to fame four years before the first films release with her starring role in The Notebook and near-perfect teenage antagonist in Mean Girls, McAdams has had an incredible career in the 15 years since; including an Oscar nomination for Spotlight. The inclusion of a renowned thespian like McAdams would have been a welcome addition for the filmmakers as well as the fans.

McAdams may be, and have been back in 2008, a little old to play a vampire who was turned at the age of 18. However she played a high schooler at the age of 26 for Mean Girls, so just a few years more later wouldn’t have been much more of a stretch.

6 Henry Cavill As Carlisle Cullen

Henry Cavill may not have been the household name back then that he is now due to his DCEU fame, but Twilight could have been that jumpstart he needed.

Though Cavill may have had a hand in pretty huge blockbusters with Man of Steel, Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice, and Mission Impossible: Fallout, he had been in only one mainstream film pre 2010; Stardust.

Had they stayed faithful to the books, Cavill would have been a perfect casting.

With Carlisle being the make-shift patriarch of the Cullen coven, the filmmakers wanted to go with someone a bit older than the character in the books.

5 Amber Midthunder as Leah Clearwater

Leah is the only female shapeshifter in Quileute history, and played by Native actress Julia Jones. Jones is an incredible actress, but newcomer Amber Midthunder has thrusted onto the scene after appearing in Hell or High Water and FX’s Legion.

Leah is 21 in the books, thus Midthunder is the perfect age to play the young woman, if the film were to come out today.

Acting in both Sunshine Cleaning and Swing Vote in 2008, the actress was already in high profile films the same year of the first film’s release. Midthunder’s a fan favourite on Legion, so expect the young lady to take off in the future; who knows, maybe even in a remake of Twilight.

4 Steven Strait As Jacob Black

Taylor Lautner became an overnight sensation with the success of the Twilight films, but no one could deny that the actor’s performance lacked authenticity. Steven Strait may not be any more of a household name than Lautner was, but the actor had already starred in his own film, something Lautner hadn’t done when first cast.

Strait starred in the Roland Emmerich vehicle 10,000 BC, which didn’t get rave reviews but gave the actor the experience of being first billed. Strait may be a bit older than Lautner, but that maturity and experience surely would have helped the character command a scene.

3 K.J. Apa as Edward Cullen

Riverdale may be a new show, but the Netflix series is a refreshing and original way to adapt a beloved medium. K.J. Apa shines as Archie, the title character of the original comics and his personality and way he carries himself on the show would be downright perfect for the sensitive and loving vampire.

Apa is still a relative newcomer to the scene, but with Riverdale under his belt and a role in the new drama The Hate U give he’s turning himself into a familiar face. Pattinson was a fine Edward and his career has surely taken off since ending his tenure as a vampire, but he may have been a bit happier had someone else taken the role.

2 Emily Browning As Bella Swan

Emily Browning was infamously author Stephanie Meyer’s first choice to play the role of Bella, though it obviously didn’t come to fruition. The young actress who appeared in A Series of Unfortunate Events, Sucker Punch, and Sleeping Beauty has had a very successful career by anyone’s standard, though has never been in a film quite as popular as Twilight.

The actress had this to say during a 2011 Indiewire interview: “The author at one point stated that I would be her ideal Bella, but I chose not to audition because I was at a point in my career where I wasn’t sure I wanted to work, I definitely didn’t want to sign onto a trilogy so I didn’t audition.”

Of course her wishes were respected, but one could only wonder what a Twilight saga with Browning at the helm could have looked like.

1 Millie Bobby Brown As Renesmee Cullen

That’s right, Millie Bobby Brown’s on here twice. She’s just that good!

This bit of casting could have potentially happened, with Brown being just six when Breaking Dawn: Part 2 was released.

Mackenzie Foy has matured into a great actress, but her performance in the film was a little flat. Renesmee in the book seemed to be smarter than her age; more advanced than she should be. This is something Brown would excel at, having done it for two seasons in Stranger Things.

Let’s be honest, anything would have been better than the CGI Renesmee at the beginning of her the last film.

Which actor do you wish could have had a major role in The Twilight Saga? Let us know in the comments!



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2018-10-05 08:10:45 – Mark A. Silba

Glee: 20 Things That Make No Sense About Finn And Rachel’s Relationship

Glee‘s main focus as a television show was on the New Directions Glee Club overcoming the obstacles in front of them. Overcoming the adversity thrown at them from naysayers made the show extremely popular. It was also their portrayal of high school students in a relatable manner which made fans continue to tune in. Being able to depict real-life situations in a proper manner on television is important in getting fans to truly fall in love with a show. Glee was able to accomplish this by having relatable characters go through experiences that fans could connect with.

Given the fact that Glee took place mainly in high school, the topic of romance was most prominent. The main relationship between Finn Hudson and Rachel Berry took center stage. Their on-again-off-again status kept fans hooked and hoping that they would end up together in the end. While personal tragedy hindered this from occurring, fans still got to enjoy their love affair over many seasons. However, despite them being so lovable, their relationship was not always sunshine and rainbows.

There are numerous instances of jealousy, anger, and nonsense which cast a shadow over Finn and Rachel. Some things can be chalked up to their characters being young and immature, but some of these things make absolutely no sense at all. One minute they will be running hot for each other, and the next be completely distant. Sometimes Rachel’s ego gets in the way, and other times Finn will do something out of left field. The world may have loved them together, but some things cannot be explained.

Here are 20 Things That Make No Sense About Finn And Rachel’s Relationship:

20 They Never Try And Date While Single

For all of their “soulmate” talk, they never did give their relationship a very clean start. The pilot episode of Glee firmly established the chemistry between Rachel and Finn, and fans began rooting for them from the beginning. However, their main obstacle was Finn’s relationship with Quinn. While they both realize that they belonged together, this would become a common theme in their relationship.

Many relationships were cast aside in favor of Finn and Rachel being together, including those with Quinn, Puck and Jesse.

Each time that Finn and Rachel decide to be together, it ends up breaking up another one of their relationships. While fans universally agree that they should have been together, they always did it at the expense of others.

19 They Never Lasted An Entire Season Together

Despite being heralded as one of the greatest couples on the show, they do not have a great track record. In fact, they spend more time apart than together. Out of Glee‘s six seasons, Finn and Rachel are never together for one from beginning to end. They may begin a season in a relationship together, but they will surely break up before it ends.

For example, they may have started out season two in a relationship, but were broken up by episode nine. Their on-again-off-again status puts them in the same company as Friends‘ Ross and Rachel, but their relationship has many more swings than misses It almost seems as though Rachel prefers the drama of constant break-ups, which is certainly possible given her personality for the theatrical.

18 Rachel Doesn’t Respect Finn’s Future

Finn’s lack of direction following high school does not leave him in a good place. He was a below-average student, and did not seem particularly interested in pursuing a career in the Arts either. Frankly, he seemed entirely content with staying in Lima and working in his step-father’s garage. Once he had finally settled on that as a potential future career, shouldn’t that make everyone around him happy?

Rachel considers Finn’s future plans unacceptable and pushes very hard for him to go to college.

She has already mapped out her post-McKinley life, and expects that he will follow her to New York. However, she never takes his feelings in to account. While Rachel’s drive is commendable, she should have spent more time thinking about what Finn wanted.

17 He Does Not Support Her At NYADA

While Rachel is not exactly the most supportive girlfriend to Finn, he should not be winning any relationship awards either. Season four saw Rachel begin her time as a student at NYADA, but did not feature Finn until later on. The reason for this is because he did not go to New York with her, and instead left her to join the army.

While he may have left for noble personal reasons, he was not thinking about his girlfriend at all. Rachel is lonely and scared when she first arrives in New York, and could certainly have used Finn’s security the most. However, she does not hear from him for several months, even though he stays in contact with Kurt. This is ultimately what pushes her more towards Brody, and away from Finn.

16 He Lied About His “First Time”

A very big deal is made about the Glee character’s “first time” with someone. While certainly a very personal and intimate act, Finn did not respect how much this means to others. Finn and Rachel may not have been together when he got with Santana in “The Power of Madonna”, but he was not forthcoming with the information. In fact, he blatantly omitted iy. Meanwhile, Rachel was saving herself for him, but he continued to withhold the information.

Ultimately, this was the catalyst for their first break-up, and it is a perfectly understandable reason.

Relationships are built on trust, and Finn did not care that he was lying to his girlfriend about something incredibly meaningful. Finn may not have enjoyed his time with Santana, which makes his lies even less understandable.

15 He Wanted To Use Her For A Music Scholarship

While they became a fixture of the show, the humble beginnings of Finn and Rachel’s relationship are unfortunately paved with deceit. From the moment she heard Finn sing, Rachel admitted that she was in love with him. However, he did not develop feelings for her until later on. In fact, he tried to use her feelings for him to further his career in the entertainment industry.

Finn thought that if he was able to succeed in Glee Club that it may get him a music scholarship after high school. In order to ensure he was successful, he took Rachel out on a date and made moves on her. However when Rachel learns that he does not actually have feelings for her, she slaps him across the face. It wasn’t exactly a shining moment in their early history together.

14 Rachel Tried To Make Finn Choose Between Her And Football

If Rachel had her way early on, Finn would not be known as the Quarterback. After a falling-out with Coach Beiste, Finn is removed from the football team. Naturally, Finn is devastated as football is a big part of his life.

Wouldn’t it make sense for his girlfriend to comfort him during his time of need?

Unfortunately, Rachel decides to do the opposite. Rachel is pleased that he is no longer a part of the football team, as she is worried that it increases the likelihood of him cheating on her with a Cheerio. Finn cannot believe that she is pleased with him being unhappy, and it causes a big argument. Rachel has always been self-centered, but this instance was a new low for her.

13 She Wrecked His Relationship With Quinn

Quinn’s time on Glee was never filled with happiness. In fact, she rarely ever experienced a “win” throughout all her time at McKinley, except for when she is first introduced as the Head Cheerio dating the quarterback of the football team. However, Rachel was there to ensure that Quinn wouldn’t be happy again.

While Quinn does not get away without blame for her situation, Rachel also played a part. Quinn had planned on telling Finn that the baby she was pregnant with was not his, and if she was allowed to it may have salvaged their relationship. However, Rachel took it upon herself to slip to Finn that Quinn has been intimate with Puck. It was obvious that Rachel did this in order to make Finn available, but her meddling was the beginning of Quinn’s hardship.

12 Finn Loses Two Girlfriends To Puck

When it comes to maintaining a relationship, Finn seems to have one kryptonite – Noah Puckerman. Each time that Finn feels that things are going successfully with a girl, Lima’s resident bad boy rears his head. While Puck has proved to be even worse of a boyfriend than Finn, he seems to manage to get in the middle of Finn’s relationships. First, he gets Quinn pregnant while she is dating Finn. Following that, he was even involved with Rachel on two separate occasions as well.

While Puck’s relationship with Rachel was only fleeting, it must have stung to know that they were involved.

Puck may have ultimately ended up with Quinn, but Finn must have always remembered that he was with Rachel as well.

11 When Rachel Meets Finn’s Paralyzed Friend

Glee used their episodes to teach lessons to the characters about a variety of issues. But it seems that Rachel Berry is the one that needed the lessons most. During the episode “Laryngitis”, Rachel is battling having her tonsils removed when she comes down with a cold. Naturally, she assumes that the world is going to end and that nothing could be worse. In an effort to show her how bad things could be, they visit Finn’s friend Sean, who became paralyzed following a hit in a football game.

While this does put things into perspective for Rachel, it is one of the most cringeworthy moments of the show. The fact that she needs to meet someone who is paraplegic to not be self-centered is not an endearing quality.

10 He Did Not Need To “Set Her Free”

While they may have never lasted an entire season in a relationship together, this was often their own fault. Following their graduation from high school, Rachel and Finn intend to get married. However, Finn feels that Rachel is only settling for him and that their marriage would hinder her success at NYADA. So instead of getting married, he puts her on a train to New York and does not follow her. His intention was to “set her free” from him so she can pursue her dreams of stardom in New York.

Want to know what would have been a better decision? Talking to each other like adults to determine what would have been best.

Finn did not need to dramatically send her away– they could have worked something out together.

Instead, they threw their relationship away and never recovered.

9 Rachel Makes Herself Sick to Attract Finn

Upon first meeting Rachel during season one, she admits she has little experience with boys. In fact, it is possible that Finn is her first serious boyfriend. This could be the explanation for why her attraction tactics are not very good.

In an effort to attract Finn, Rachel is desperate to have him notice her over Quinn. In a scene which is often forgotten about, Rachel attempts to force herself to vomit in order to lose weight and appear more attractive to Finn. Thankfully, Emma Pillsbury stops her and informs her of other ways to be noticed. Considering Rachel’s status as a role model during the later seasons, this uncomfortable moment is likely something showrunners would like to forget.

8 She Forgets Their Relationship Too Quickly in New York

Only weeks after almost getting married, Rachel is very quick to forget the “love of her life.” Moving to New York and attending NYADA brings about a lot of new experiences for Rachel, not limited to getting a makeover. While her fashion sense in high-school is described as being dressed by a “blind Sunday school teacher,” it is a part of her personality. However, upon transferring to NYADA Rachel wants to update her style to seem more grown-up.

Her journey of personal growth is commendable, however it causes her to fully forget about her relationship with Finn.

Her new style of dress gives her more confidence, but things go too far when she kisses Brody. Changing a style of dressing is fine, but changing your values and personality is another story.

7 She Leaves Him In Bed After “I Do”

Following their relationship being left in limbo after “Breakup”, Finn and Rachel never officially get back together before his passing. However, they do share an intimate night together during “I Do” after performing Bob Seger’s “We’ve Got Tonite”. Unfortunately, this would be the last time they are together. What makes this moment even more crushing is that Rachel did not even stay with him afterwards.

Before Finn wakes up, she sneaks out of the room quietly.

While this would have been a beautiful opportunity for them to get back together, it was not in the cards at the time. However, it seems that all fans of the show wish that this was the moment they would have decided to stay together.

6 She Does Not Tell Him About Her Pregnancy Scare

Not only does Rachel decide to leave the room after her last night with Finn, but she also keeps a big secret from him. Following the events of “I Do”, Rachel is seen frantically calculating dates on a calendar before taking a pregnancy test. While they are both consenting adults before getting together and the timeframe suggests that she was worried about it being Brody’s child, she does not inform Finn.

With their relationship in a state of fluctuation, a pregnancy would have caused a serious issue– particularly if it was not his child. As Finn passed away not too long after this, she was never able to share this news with him. While it is unlikely that the baby would have been his anyway, it is strange that he would not be aware what she was going through.

5 They Both Were Involved With Their Teachers

Glee has explored some strange relationships over the years. None are stranger than when a teacher gets involved with a student.

A very strange thing about Finn and Rachel is that they each had a level of romance with a staff member of McKinley.

Early on in the series, Rachel develops a crush on Will Schuester, and is infatuated with how he performs. This even gets to the point of them awkwardly singing a duet of “Endless Love” together. While the relationship does not for any further than that, it is very cringeworthy. Furthermore, Finn also kisses Emma at one point. While he does this in an effort to calm her down, it was very awkward as she was engaged to Will at the time.

4 He Broke Her Nose

This is certainly not a moment either of them would like to remember. While entirely an accident which stemmed from Finn’s miserable dancing ability, he winds up breaking Rachel’s nose in “Born This Way”. Finn’s dancing has never been pretty to look at, but this is the first time it resulted in bodily harm.

Anytime that there is something which may affect Rachel’s singing ability, it becomes the end of the world. There is no shortage of drama here either, as she considers having a rhinoplasty to fix what she considers a flaw. Ultimately, she decides against the surgery and heals fine, but surely she was afraid of Finn’s dancing anytime they were on stage together.

3 They Didn’t Go To Prom Together

They may have been meant to be together, but they missed out on a big milestone together. Despite being in a relationship, they did not attend their senior prom as a couple. At least, not at first.

After bombing her NYADA audition, Rachel refuses to go to prom.

Instead, Finn goes with a wheelchair=bound Quinn in order to help her bid for Prom Queen. Thankfully at the midnight hour, Rachel arrives at prom with Finn and they become crowned Prom King and Queen. Even if it came as a result of some “funny math”, they still got to share a beautiful moment together. While the end result is beautiful, they were never able to have the full prom experience together.

2 Rachel’s Ulterior Motives

With most of their relationship occurring during high school, a big focus is put on when Rachel and Finn will be intimate for the first time. However, Rachel and Finn were not very good role models for the topic.

After being in a relationship together, Finn and Rachel decide that they will take the next physical step. While Finn has nothing but his love for Rachel on his mind, Rachel has other motives. She is secretly hoping that having a physical experience will make her a better actress ahead of her college auditions. Naturally, Finn is appalled by her thought process, and does not go through with the deed. Rachel is one of the most driven characters on television, but this was a new extreme for her. Finn’s feelings were not even considered here, which given their time together, does not make any sense.

1 They Did Not End Up Together

Outside of the show, it may be one of the most tragic Hollywood love stories. Cory Monteith’s unexpected passing in 2013 may have deprived the rest of the world of his talent, but it also took away Rachel’s quarterback.

The way that Glee approached both Cory and Finn’s death was commendable, and allowed fans to grieve. Lea Michele’s haunting rendition of “Make You Feel My Love” was enough to bring everyone to tears. Watching the entire Glee Club cry over their fallen hero was a bleak reminder that he would never make another in-person appearance on the show.

Despite being universally loved for his time on the show, both the world and Rachel had to go on without him.

It is well-known that Glee‘s original ending would have featured Rachel and Finn happy together. Unfortunately, fans can only picture this in their minds.

What else does add up about Finn and Rachel’s relationship in Glee? Let us know in the comments!



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2018-10-03 01:10:10 – Chris Lalonde