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Jim Henson’s cult classic film Labyrinth is super weird, there’s no doubt about that. Each character, from the kindly beast Ludo to the dwarf Hoggle, who enjoys exterminating fairies, is as strange as the next, which is what makes the movie so wonderful in the first place.
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That said, Jareth, the movie’s villain is played by the handsome and charismatic David Bowie, and his character is extra strange — so strange that he often doesn’t make sense, even for a Jim Henson movie. We get the hair, the music and the labyrinth itself…but how are we supposed to explain everything else?
While lovers of the cult classic movie adore the Jareth/Sarah dynamic, and how much he obviously wants her to be his, it’s really disturbing to watch as an adult. The most problematic part of the movie really hasn’t stood the test of time. If it wasn’t obvious enough that the goblin king was much too old for this teenager, consider the fact that David Bowie was 39 when he made the film and Jennifer Connelly, who played Sarah, was only 16.
Sometimes Jareth seems like he wants Sarah to solve his labyrinth; other times he rigs the system so she’s doomed to fail. He says he wants to send her back to the beginning, which is why he enlists Hoggle’s help, but he ultimately does want Sarah to get to the center of the labyrinth and to choose him instead of Toby.
Jareth’s goal isn’t ultimately keeping Toby for himself but keeping Sarah. In this light, it’s not only weird that he tries to make her fail so hard but that he doesn’t spend more time wooing her instead if he truly wishes to make her his own.
Jareth enlists the help of Hoggle to take Sarah back to the beginning of the labyrinth, but later he threatens to send him to the Bog of Eternal Stench if she kisses him. This is after he learns that Hoggle considers her a friend.
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Naturally Hoggle and Sarah find themselves stranded in the bog full of nasty farts soon after, but is this really to punish Hoggle for befriending Sarah, or out of Jareth’s own jealousy? And does he really think Sarah will choose to stay with him if he throws her into stank bogs every now and then for kissing dwarves?
There are dangers untold and hardships unnumbered throughout the blasted labyrinth, but the Fireys are a particularly troublesome species because they can take off their body parts without any damage, and just assume it’s the same for people they encounter — like Sarah. It’s a bit odd that they’re so surprised when her head doesn’t come off; have they never encountered another species before?
If Jareth really cares for Sarah, he’d ensure her safety from these limb larcenists. Their song also makes zero sense: take off your body parts so they can “show you a good time,” and they don’t charge anything… except a donation to their demented black market for body parts.
Toby is a pretty neglected baby in the goblin world, but his home life isn’t all rosy, either. His parents just assume his big half-sister will babysit him when she resents him, and his step-sister is petty toward him and wishes goblins upon him.
It’s silly that Jareth wants a baby to begin with. All he does is throw him into the air and act irresponsibly, leaving the goblins to care for Toby while he torments Sarah on her journey. Why does he want Toby? To turn him into a goblin? To be his goblin prince heir? How does that even work?
Earlier drafts of the film made much more sense, as they involved Jareth turning into a goblin after Sarah refuses him. A goblin should be king of the goblins, right? But Jareth is a cute human, or at least a cute shifter who can transform into an owl. So, why does he remain in the labyrinth where he appears to be bored, disgusted with his charges and super unhappy?
Why not just fly away and let the goblins rule themselves? They’d probably fade into extinction eventually, given their ridiculous natures and inability to comprehend the simplest directions, but he’d be rid of them.
Why is this goblin king in our world listening to a random teenage girl recite poetry and play dress-up? It’s cool that Sarah’s into cosplay, but it’s definitely weird for this much older member of goblin royalty, disguised as an owl, to be hanging around watching her, waiting for her to summon him. He’s one of Henson’s creepiest creations.
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Is this the first time Jareth has seen Sarah, or has he had his eyes on her for a while, positioning his goblins into formation just in time to snatch up her brother and use him as bait to make Sarah his inappropriately underage queen?
For a guy so obsessed with a girl, Jareth has a funny way of showing it. He tosses a snake at her, he mocks her, and he does everything to demonstrate how little faith he has in her abilities. It’s almost as if he’s grooming her for a lifelong career as his subservient bride, creating a need for his approval in every deed she does.
Even if that’s too dark an assessment for some, it still doesn’t make sense to torment someone that you’re simultaneously wooing. In the novelization, Jareth pursues Sarah even harder, and even attempts to kiss her at one point.
Long before The Happytime Murders there was… David Bowie and his famous tight pants. It’s such a well-known and even beloved part of the Labyrinth fandom that Jareth’s famous pants have their own fan pages across the Internet.
People have analyzed several other sexual components regarding the film, from song lyrics to clothing, and while the movie is supposed to be dark, especially for Jim Henson, it really doesn’t make a lot of sense for it to be so suggestive. Jareth is out of Sarah’s subconscious fantasies, but these seem more suited toward a grown woman’s ideas and definitely not for a puppet movie.
After all of that struggling while trying to figure out his labyrinth, Sarah suddenly realizes she’s had the answer all along in a line she read from a book. Her words, “You have no power over me” instantly save her, and Jareth is defeated. Hooray!
While this line is indeed powerful, and it would be nice for young women to remind themselves these six words every day, it really makes no sense to endure the oubliette, the weird door knockers, the deranged Fireys and being chased by goblins only to be able to escape it all with such a simple phrase — not to mention the fact that Jareth was outwitted so easily.
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Undoubtedly the most controversial and divisive Star Wars trilogy, Disney’s sequel trilogy had some phenomenal moments, characters, and three very different films which each had their great parts. They did leave a lot to be desired, and to be answered though, perhaps no movie more so than The Rise Of Skywalker.
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Seemingly loved by a lot of fans, and hated by a lot of critics upon release, the movie is full of fun, but severely lacking in a lot of ways. The new Star Wars trilogy has seen more fan theories than ever before relating to the world’s biggest pop culture phenomenon, and some of them made a lot more sense than what is in The Rise Of Skywalker.
Of all the characters in the sequel trilogy that were left undeveloped with a plethora of unanswered questions, the Knights of Ren may well be the most frustrating. With so many opportunities to give them a story, the films never took one.
There were so many theories coming into every sequel trilogy film that would have made far more sense than what the film gives us. There was the theory that they were fallen Jedi from Luke’s academy, or specially trained Royal Guard-esque fighters, and loads more. Any of which would have been better, and more logical than the nothingness they were in The Rise Of Skywalker.
The Rise Of Skywalker sees a plethora of Jedi call out to Rey through the Force, giving her the strength to take on and destroy Palpatine. Voices like Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Kanan Jarrus, Ahsoka Tano, and Yoda, to name a few.
None of them appear physically, though. Fans had long hoped and speculated the final installment of the Skywalker saga would see Force spirits appear, but we only see Luke and Leia. It is weird that they could not have just appeared, and had they been in physical form, there would be fewer questions, and it would have probably been better overall.
The identity of Rey’s parents has been a long-debated and speculated topic amongst the Star Wars fandom. Some thought she was a Kenobi, or a Skywalker, perhaps a Solo, or, correctly, a Palpatine.
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Rey being a Palpatine is not great, though, and leaves a lot not answered, as well as leaving the timeline looking murky. Had she been a clone, however, say of Luke’s hand from Bespin, it would have made more sense for her and would have also answered the mystery of how Maz have Anakin’s lightsaber.
The subject of the Jedi Order and what happens to them beyond this trilogy is one that went completely unanswered throughout the trilogy, with many hoping The Rise Of Skywalker would shed some light on it.
Instead, Rey just deemed herself a Skywalker. The better long term theory, though, was that she would create a new order of Jedi-esque Force users, updating the ancient ideologies, and creating a temple, naming the order after the Skywalkers.
Alongside Rey’s parents, the most prolonged and most rampant cause for fan speculation has been the identity of Snoke. There were so many theories about him, such as he was Mace Windu, Jar Jar, Boba Fett, Darth Vader, or Palpatine himself. The prevailing opinion was that Palpatine created him in a lab.
One of, and arguably the best Snoke theory though is that Snoke was Palpatine’s master, Darth Plagueis, who had mastered death somehow. This would need some attention to work properly, but would have been so much better than the shoehorned artificial creation route Lucasfilm went.
In The Rise Of Skywalker Kylo, as many predicted, turns back to the Light and becomes Ben Solo once more, and it was amazing to see, if only we got more. A Dark Side Rey came via a vision but never came to be; she stayed on course. A great and popular theory was that Kylo would still turn to the Light Side, but likewise, Rey would turn to the Dark Side.
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This theory would not make more sense over Kylo’s redemption or Rey staying on the Light necessarily. But having this story play out, and as the theory says, seeing Rey come back to the Light Side would be tricky, far better, and more sensical than the lazy storytelling of finding a thing to find another thing to lead everyone to the thing they want.
The novelization of The Rise Of Skywalker appears to confirm that Palpatine in the film is a clone. This may not necessarily be the case as it seems as though it could be interpretative, but if it is true, there is a lot of questions to answer. A much better theory, and one that at this moment, makes far more sense than clones, is the use of transfer essence.
A lot of fans speculated about Matt Smith’s involvement in the movie (which never seemed to come to pass), with most assuming he would be a young Palpatine, a vessel in which Palpatine transferred his essence into an old famous power. It was also possible to transfer one’s essence into an object that, when worn or touched, would possess the user with the spirit of whoever’s essence got transferred.
Earlier, Force spirits got a mention, saying that them appearing in physical form would have been better and made more sense than just voices. That could all be sacrificed with no issue had there been an appearance from the chosen one, Anakin Skywalker.
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It had long been speculated Anakin would return in this film by way of Hayden Christensen. It is the last movie in the story of his lineage, and his life and death, his rise and fall. As an extension to that theory, Anakin would return and fulfill the prophecy once and for all, or at least with Rey’s help, by killing Palpatine.
The Plagueis theory about Snoke may well be the best Snoke theory, but its rival in quality, and its superior in logic and sense, is the theory that Snoke, is quite simply just Snoke. A new character with bundles of potential.
Snoke’s death was not an issue per sé, finding out he was nothing but a pawn in a game played by Palpatine, which itself has many gaps and questions was. Had there been a plan in place for Snoke, Palpatine’s return, or the role of antagonist through the trilogy in general, that could have worked. But, the better theory is that Snoke was just Snoke, not an already known character.
Continuing the theme of elaborate theories that are inferior to the most simple ones, it is unquestionable that the very best Rey theory, and the one that made the most sense in The Rise Of Skywalker, and in her overall arc, is that she was a nobody.
Rey’s entire arc sees her trying to find her self, her place in the Galaxy, and find out questions about her parents so she can feel important or deserving. She did not need to be a Palpatine, nor a Skywalker, Solo, or Kenobi. Rey being Rey was amazing enough. It held a powerful message, and made much more sense than being the daughter of what the novel has confirmed is a clone of Palpatine.
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Pixar’s newest instalment, Onward, is a breathtakingly beautiful film that brings everything you would expect from a Pixar movie. It has vibrant colors, stunning animation, a heartwarming story filled with laughter and sadness, and some fantastic characters.
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However, that doesn’t mean that the film is perfect. In fact, it’s far from it, with various different parts of the film leaving the audience asking questions about the plot or the characters. Not everything makes perfect sense in the movie, which is expected, but it does leave a lot of question marks over certain moments. Some questions that fans had were only small details, while others were bigger plot points from the film itself. So, within this list, we will look at 10 things that make no sense about Onward.
Sure, at the start Pixar tries to explain that the magic has slowly faded away simply because it has become easier for people to use the modern technology that we have in the human world. However, are we really supposed to believe that everyone just forgot about magic and stopped using it completely?
While there might be some people doing magic that we don’t see at any point, everything we are shown points towards magic being completely gone. It’s strange that nobody would be doing magic in any sense at all since there is plenty of positives to using it.
While it is briefly explained that Wilden got very sick, it isn’t actually revealed how he dies. While this might be a heavy topic for a Pixar movie, the company has shown no issues in touching on subjects like that in the past, and a montage scene similar to Up could have worked just fine.
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This would have just added some more emotion to the entire movie and would have helped make sense of the family situation and what everyone had to go through at the time of his death. It’s only a small detail, but it would have added plenty.
One of the big things that makes no sense comes right at the end of the movie. Ian makes a heartbreaking sacrifice to slay the dragon, which allows his brother Barley to see his father one final time, and they share a conversation together that Ian sneaks a peek at through some rubble.
While that was very touching, it does beg the question of why Wilden doesn’t go look for his other son. Sure, there isn’t much time and he might not have got to him, but surely he would have wanted to meet the son he’s never seen, therefore at least attempted to get to him.
Early on in the movie when Ian is missing his father, he plays a tape recording of his father’s voice and makes up a conversation with him. He’s clearly listened to the tape repeatedly, with this being his only real connection to what his father was like.
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However, why is there no video footage of him? While we don’t know how quickly things advanced, at the point in the film we join it there are mobile phones and therefore videotaping equipment. So why didn’t they have any videos of his father so Ian could see more about him?
Colt Bronco is the lead police officer of the area that is shown in the film, and he also happens to be dating Ian and Barley’s mother. He ends up finding the boys during their quest, and they quickly explain the situation to him about their father and what they’re doing.
However, instead of understanding or trying to even help them, he actually ends up chasing them down and calling more cops. They all chase after the Lightfoot boys and almost stop them from making it which makes no sense since he is trying to win them over to accept him in their family.
Ian and Barley make the correct decision to take the road of peril during their quest to get the stone, however, it eventually just leads them all the way back to Ian’s school. However, that really doesn’t make any sense since they travel miles in the complete opposite direction.
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While they do end up underground and on a boat, they don’t seem to travel anywhere near as many hours to get all the way back to where they were in the beginning. There isn’t enough time for it to truly make sense, no matter what magic you spin on it.
Wilden provides his boys with a wizards staff and a rare gem that has the ability to bring him back to life for just one day, as well as a note on how to do the spell. So, does that make him a wizard? He wants to believe magic still exists, but his own wife is unsure of if he was actually doing magic.
It isn’t really explained whether or not Wilden could actually perform the magic or not. It also makes no sense that he just expected his children to be able to produce magic, he doesn’t know if they have that power or not, but simply presumes it.
Who knew it only took a matter of minutes to learn how to drive? Sure, the film is set in a fantasy world and you have to let go of some elements of reality, but the way Ian picks up driving like it’s nothing makes no sense at all. It isn’t like he is just driving around the block either.
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He merges onto an incredibly busy freeway and ends up being involved in a car chase from the Pixie Dusters, yet he has no real difficulties in being able to do it. Sure he is nervous, but Ian just drives as if he has been doing it his whole life, which makes no sense at all.
At the end of the movie, Ian and Barley end up lifting a curse which leads to a huge dragon being created, which can only be defeated by using Corey’s sword. Of course, they just happen to arrive right on time with the sword to attack the dragon and help in the fight at the very last second.
However, it doesn’t make much sense. Corey and Laurel are heading in the total opposite direction to the school, much like the boys do originally. So, how do they know exactly where they will be at the right moment? It makes even less sense when you consider that Corey hasn’t flown in years, so she isn’t exactly able to dot around quickly to look out for them.
At the start of the movie, it is explained that magic goes away because it is difficult and using technology is easier. However, if Ian is anything to go by, magic is incredibly easy. While he has a few difficulties at the start, he ends up learning how to do every spell with relative ease.
By the end of the film, he has the skills to take on a dragon and he just picks it up really easily. Surely learning to do all these spells should take longer than just the 24 hours that Ian has to work with?
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Netflix dropped its figure skating drama series, Spinning Out, on the first day of 2020. The series consisted of ten episodes that revolved around an Olympic hopeful and her struggles with balancing her love of skating and her tumultuous everyday life. The series was primarily well-received by both critics and the general audience, and it looked like Netflix had birthed their next successful drama series.
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However, any hopes of seeing Spinning Out blossom into a full-length series were dashed only a month after the series first aired, when Netflix abruptly canceled the fledgling show. Despite being well-liked by most viewers, Spinning Out did have its share of inconsistencies, nonsensical storylines, and a lack of continuity that probably contributed to its premature cancellation. Let’s take a look at 10 of the series most glaring issues.
Kat and Serena were shown to have a complicated relationship from the beginning. While Kat often seemed concerned for her little sister’s safety and well-being, the sisters also fought constantly. This occurred primarily in the first few episodes of Spinning Out, and that’s what makes it confusing.
Serena was shown to rely on Kat heavily when their mother was struggling with her mental health. But at the same time, the young figure skater would turn on her older sister for no apparent reason. The show couldn’t seem to make up its mind regarding what kind of relationship it wanted the main sisters to have.
Another notable aspect of this series is the core friendship between Kat and Jenn. The dynamic was introduced in the very first episode, and what was conveyed was a bond between two best friends that appeared to be unbreakable. However, this friendship was put to the test when Kat started dating her skating partner, Justin.
Somewhere along the line, Jenn had suddenly developed feelings for Justin. When Kat started dating him, this presented a significant rift between the two best friends and nearly heralded the end of their bond.
For years, Johnny Weir has been a significant icon in figure skating. His career in skating took off in 1996. He has competed twice at the Winter Olympics, is a 2008 World bronze medallist, and a 2001 World Junior champion. The retired figure skater has also appeared in several different TV programs, such as Skating With The Stars and The Masked Singer. In 2010, he coined a short-lived but well-received reality show.
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There’s no doubt that the career and life of Johnny Weir have been illustrious and iconic, but what’s odd about his appearance on Spinning Out, is that he portrays a character who skates in pairs. Weir only ever skated and competed in men’s singles. Additionally, his character on the series appears to be portrayed as a young, twenty-something-year-old, while Weir is actually thirty-five.
Mid-way through Spinning Out, it’s revealed that Justin’s issues and emotional trauma stem from the death of his mother, which happened when he was a teenager. Justin was devastated by this, obviously, and the wound cut especially deep since his mother was his biggest supporter.
However, Justin is not the only Davis child. His younger twin brothers, Drew and Reid, also lost their mother that day. What’s odd is that the series seemed to gloss over that fact, portraying the twins as rather nonchalant on the subject, while Justin remained affected for years.
In the first few episodes of Spinning Out, a deeply disturbing dynamic was introduced between teenager Serena and her adult skating coach, Mitch. Kat became increasingly concerned that the relationship between her sister and the coach was quickly becoming inappropriate, and for a while, it seemed that Kat’s worry was valid.
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That is, until Spinning Out quickly changed its tune in the way that it portrayed the aforementioned dynamic. Suddenly, Mitch started dating Serena’s mom, Carol and quickly became Serena’s surrogate father figure, rather than someone preying on her.
A large portion of Spinning Out delves into mental illness and abuse. It deals with this mainly through the portrayal of Carol Baker, the Baker family matriarch, who struggles with bipolar disorder and bitterness regarding the end of her skating career, which happened when she got pregnant with Kat as a young woman.
While it is acknowledged that Carol emotionally and sometimes physically abuses Kat, what is often glossed over in the series is her abuse toward her youngest daughter, Serena. Since Carol was so focused on Serena’s skating, she constantly belittles and emotionally abuses her young daughter, however, the show never addresses this issue explicitly.
In Spinning Out, Kat is portrayed as being emotionally unstable and closed off. It’s addressed that one of her biggest issues is shutting people out and being unwilling to open up long enough to have a longterm, deep relationship with anybody. This is obviously an understandable fact about Kat’s character, as she has suffered extreme abuse at the hands of her mother, and her father isn’t even in the picture.
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However, in this case, Spinning Out contradicts itself. At the beginning of the series, Kat is in a serious relationship with her boyfriend, Dave. She even almost moves to London with him, before she makes the decision to become a pairs skater. This relationship simply never needed to exist, as it counters the point that Kat has never opened up enough to get into a relationship.
Kat and Justin’s relationship was one of the most significant focal points of the series. Spinning Out primarily revolved around their journey as skating partners, and how their personal relationship with each other affected their professional careers.
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At the beginning of the series, Kat is shown to detest Justin, his womanizing ways, and his careless attitude when it comes to his skating career. The two get under each other’s skin often, and what makes the dynamic all the more complicated is when it becomes romantic. This is a twist in the story that really seemed unnecessary, especially since the show had started to build up a romance between Kat and her coworker, Marcus.
The final episode of Spinning Out was a tumultuous, dramatic rollercoaster ride. Carol and Kat discovered Serena’s secret “relationship” with Dr. Parker, Jenn and Kat hit another rock in their bond, Justin and Kat reconciled, and the Nationals were in full swing.
Another dramatic point in the episode was that Carol’s secret affair was accidentally revealed to Mitch by Kat. This prompted Mitch to storm out of the arena – while Serena was skating her long program. It was completely wrong and uncalled for when Mitch just abandoned his young student on the ice, and it seems completely out of character.
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The romantic Netflix movie To All The Boys 2: P.S. I Still Love You once again allows its viewers to return into the special world of its main heroine, Lara Jean (portrayed by Lana Condor) whose life completely changes when her younger sister Kitty sends out five love letters Lara Jean wrote to her crushes, both current and former.
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Lara Jean starts dating one of her crushes, Peter Kavinsky, but when John Ambrose, another of her crushes, comes back, she faces a dilemma and has to choose between them. Overall, the film was pretty amazing, but there were still things about it that didn’t make any sense.
On paper, Peter may look like the best boyfriend any high school girl could ask for. He’s funny, good-looking, attentive, and clearly in love with Lara Jean. But he also lies to her multiple times, which is a big no-no in any relationship, and it doesn’t matter how old you are.
If it wasn’t enough that Peter gives a poem to Lara Jean which he didn’t write, and lets Lara Jean believe he did, but he also lies to her about the tape which Lara Jean’s former friend and Peter’s ex-girlfriend Genevieve filmed and released into the world. For someone who claims to love his girlfriend, Peter does his best to hide the truth from her.
Similarly to Peter, Lara Jean usually acts sweet to her friends, family, and other people (maybe except Genevieve), but she’s not as innocent as she may seem at a first glance. In fact, whether she realizes it or not, she spends the greater part of the film toying with Jon Ambrose’s emotions.
Even a blind person would notice that John is in love with Lara Jean, or is at least crushing on her really hard, and Lara Jean is far from blind. Yet she keeps the truth about her real relationship with Peter from John, and she keeps encouraging him even though she’s with someone else, which doesn’t really fit her usual character.
Considering how big a part Lara Jean’s older sister Margot played in the first film, her sudden absence in the sequel doesn’t make that much of a sense. Lara Jean and both her sisters are very close so the viewers could reasonably expect them to spend a lot of time together.
Or at least talk to each other often, either via their phones or Skype, since Margot is studying abroad, in Scotland. Yet Margot appears only in one scene in the film and she doesn’t really move the story forward in any way.
However, the biggest mystery of To All The Boys 2: P.S. I Still Love You, at least where missing people are concerned, isn’t what happened to Margot. It’s what happened to her former boyfriend and one of Lara Jean’s best friends, Josh Sanderson, with whom she also used to be in love.
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Josh was the main reason why Lara Jean started fake-dating Peter in the first film, and he played a significant part in both Lara Jean’s and Margot’s lives. He doesn’t appear a single time in the sequel and there’s not even a mention of him, so it’s like everybody forgot his existence, even though he lives directly next to Lara Jean and her family.
Throughout both of the films, Lara Jean repeatedly wonders whether Peter really likes her or is just spending time with her to make Genevieve jealous and make her want to get back together with him. Lara Jean also isn’t certain whether Peter isn’t still in love with Gen since the two had dated for a long time, certainly longer than Lara Jean and Peter, before they broke up.
Peter doesn’t exactly help to calm Lara Jean down since his behavior towards Gen doesn’t often make sense. He assures Lara Jean that she’s the only girl for him but he still goes running to Gen whenever she asks him to.
The second film may feel like a breath of fresh air, but it’s actually surprisingly unoriginal at moments when you think about it really hard. Especially it’s ending closely mirrors the previous film, which makes the sequel end in a somewhat lackluster way. Just to remind you, the first film ended up with Lara Jean deciding to be with Peter even though she knew that his connection to Gen was still strong and that their relationship had many problems.
The second film finishes with Lara Jean deciding to get back together with Peter even though she knows his connection to Gen is still strong and their relationship has many problems. So, in a way, the plot didn’t move anywhere.
Recasting is a normal process both in the world of film and television. Sometimes the fault lies in the scheduling conflicts, or creative differences, or another large number of fancy words. And sometimes, there’s really no reasonable explanation, at least not a publicly known one.
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That’s also the case for this film, in which John Ambrose is played by another actor. John Ambrose briefly appeared in the post-credit scene of the first film where he was portrayed by Jordan Burchett, but in the sequel, Jordan Fisher plays John instead.
In the books, John Ambrose is related to Stormy, one of the residents of Belleview who later becomes Lara Jean’s good friend. Stormy also appeared in the second film but she has a much smaller part in it than she had in the book series by Jenny Han – partially because she and John Ambrose aren’t a family in the film.
John is Stormy’s grandson, even though she prefers it when he doesn’t call her grandma and wants to be called Stormy. The actors Jordan Fisher and Holland Taylor don’t look very similar but the film’s creators still could have made John Ambrose Stormy’s grand-nephew or something, which would explain his presence at Belleview which feels somewhat random in the film.
Throughout the first two films, Genevieve and Lara Jean spend a lot of time at odds. Gen seems to hate Lara Jean for reasons unknown and only later reveals that her dislike for her former best friend became when Lara Jean kissed Peter during a game of spin the bottle while they were all kids.
Gen does her best to sabotage the relationship between Lara Jean and Peter, first by undermining Peter in Lara Jean’s eyes and then by filming the video of the two of them making out and claiming they slept together. That doesn’t stop Lara Jean from becoming friends again with Gen in the sequel, even though there’s no real reason why they should have overcome their differences so quickly.
In the end, the biggest story point which doesn’t make sense in the sequel To All The Boys 2: P.S. I Still Love You is the fact that Lara Jean and Peter stay together. As said above, Peter lied to Lara Jean multiple times, and that’s not something you should be doing if you want your girlfriend to trust you.
They also don’t have that much in common as they have completely different characters, and Lara Jean is actually more similar to John Ambrose whom she pushes aside for Peter’s sake. Nobody can deny the way they feel but this couple, ultimately, just doesn’t seem like a good – or sensible – choice.
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